John 3:5. To Torben, I would say that if what you are doing is of the Lord, you dont need to go around tooting your own horn about it. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. As of about 2022, Lene is now 46 years old and born on April 5, 1976. We need Bible-based Spirit-filled believers who know how to lead in love and truth, not arrogantly or obsessively and not teaching junk food. The basis for the healing rooms training, techniques, and charge of admission is not found in the Bible. We continue on and learn until the day we exit to Eternity. And this growing awareness of the many gifts and parts of the body has opened a window on seeing Christ in others, it is truly humbling. I heard of a series of miraculous healings on someone involved in a bad car accident and God seemed to be one step ahead of the doctors. He has no need to imitate the world nor should we, because that would be having in mind the things of man, not the things of God. 3) to fear, reverence, honour, respect I have no agenda other to please Him. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. So, this is what I told him. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. And, they continued supporting him. However, I dont perceive any self motivation from Torben. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? Correction: Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? Discerning the World 2008 - 2022. John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 Titus 3:5 and many more The gangrene is gone; you are healed. Jda 016, I am so full of matter about how the church today is so cynical. They have also filed a defamation lawsuit against a North Carolina man who Sndergaard's legal team claims has been publishing false information about the Danish preacher. I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. Though we may not be able to pull up scriptures on the fly, well know something is wrong when we see it. However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. They did every technique they knew and nothing worked. And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. After the time of the book of Acts came to an end, speaking in tongues and prophecy ceased. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. , A google search will bring up links on this subject.. here is one link: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf, The Lord Jesus Christ He is true God and true man.. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. Have no more condemnation, because im walking in repentance, & am Spirit lead. It is not open season for all our opinions as we each have those, & plenty of them. See article on biblical explanation of. The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. Share on whatsapp. Deliverance and healing all at once on a whole congregation of people? QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. He gave specific examples of sharing the Gospel and how the power of God has manifested throughout his time in ministry," a spokesman for his legal team said. Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. 1 Corinthians 10:1. I too have been badly wounded and burned by previous fakes and deceptions- thats no excuse for cynicism. For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? ship. Were the Hebrews experiencing New Age phenomena in the wilderness? So I hope we will pray for these brothers that they will be able to stand and remain in simplicity when the enemy comes, that the fear of the Lord would be the beginning of wisdom in every area and situation. Praise the Lord for the doers of Gods word a d not hearers only. All these false movements intertwine like a thorny bush. Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. But it is patently obvious to me from listening to him preach and reading his statement of faith on his local congregations website that he does know and believe and love the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ he knows He is God and he knows He is Lord I am not saying that he is perfect, I am not saying that everything he does or endorses is right or perfect but if we see such a one who loves our Lord Jesus Christ endorsing or doing something which we dont believe to be right or true what is our response to be? At some point Holy Father, KEEP THEM IN YOUR NAME, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his [other] flesh. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? Friends are expressing dismay that a Danish man who works tirelessly spreading the gospel around the world has been arrested in America over charges of smuggling arms from Mexico into America. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Does anyone know whats happened to Randall Lowrey? In the Name of Jesus, I command this leg to grow out. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. For what? 1) to fear, be afraid If we should respect simple grammar and honour the first mentioned in sentences, it means that one must first be saved by water before you can receive the Holy Spirit. To date in this generation the world spurns the people of God like people spurn the cheap Elvis impersonators . Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. Bob Jones is the guy who told Todd Bentley about Emma the angel. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. 2) to fear, be afraid of one He healed people SOMETIMES He spoke to them of repentance OFTEN not. Torben Sndergaard hijacks you on the spot, does a willy nilly prayer with you, lays hands on you in the street, or dunks you under water at a baptism, a demon manifests (but does not actually leave), and then he lays hands on you again and forces that Spirit of FIRE into you until you speak in tongues, which according toTorben Sndergaard proves you are now truly saved. So, are you saying that water baptism is necessary to be saved and receive eternal life? A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. That is why we need to take care when posting our judgmental thoughts without first checking things out properly. It also helps with our conversation to each other to be encouraging & uplifting, & helps us to discern error when people would give us As I thought about this story of unchurched people coming to US I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! Leg lengthening WAS AND IS GODS IDEA NOT THE WORLDS IDEA! truly revolutionary but also very simple about getting back Let Gods holy fire and righteousness blaze like a torch They believe in the Divinity, they must be our brother/sister, right? We strive like Paul towards the prize of the High Calling in Christ Jesus. As of 2022, Lene is currently 46 years old and was born on April 5, 1976. In other words, you did not know the cause and effect of things, and thought you were doing it in your own power, not pointing people to Him. I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. Goodbye Christianity. If a person believes I do not have to always obey The Lord Jesus , in their heart they also believe I do have to listen to Jesus . Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. Many people, including me, have been warning people on this blog NOT to throw the baby out with the bath water. Similarly, the couple seems to be the parent of their kids. Torben has been in jail since his arrest when authorities shackled him hand and foot like a terrorist. It might seem like a small thing but faith is built in little steps. Torben Sondergaard was born in 1976 into a non-Christian family. Then we have WALKING ON WATER.PETER DID TOO for a short time. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) The male, with a recorded age of 45 was arrested for suspicion of the below crimes: Bail has been set to $0 for Soendergaard which is listed as a white male. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? Do you think that mere men can in any way challenge God Himself and disprove what God is doing? June 30th, 2022 by Crime Informer. Torben with his wife Lene on her birthday ( Source : facebook ) Torben Sondergaard: Undercover journalists & money. What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. He was confirmed in the state church after being immersed as a child, but actually completely out of habit. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? A new Spirit-one that is more interested in making men thrilled and exhilaerated than in making men holy and heavenly minded and a new hope a hope in this world and in this age- where believers will rule and reign in this present dark age rather than the blessed hope the glorious appearing of The Lord Jesus Christ from heaven and the hope in the life to come which declares , if for this life only we have hope we of all men are to be most pitied .. Fewer religious spirits to break through maybe? The tone of these responses is very disturbing. Watch this video about the people of God revealing the glory of God and you too will do the works of Jesus: http://youtu.be/03hWzOCzZ9k. 3.and receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus as their Helper and Comforter. There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. Poor Christians get demons deceiving them and leading them astray, far away from the real God of the bible. You mean well but you are not. At that instant, I observed my friend was motioning me to come and join him in prayer for the woman who was sick. Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Ive been porn and masturbation free from that very day. If a man comes performing miracles in Jesus name but preaches idols- money, ambition, love of the world and anything in the world money, sensuality, power or selfish ambition- THAT MAN IS A WOLF! Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. nitpick every instance of the supernatural or the gifts of the Just think, the ark of the covenant was not permitted to be handled with hands of flesh, it had to be carried with poles, and not even just any poles, because it was HOLY. Just because you believe it doesnt make it true. Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. Why have we not seen this? Sorry, but Torben is so real and sincere.. Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. I believe this goes along with the last revival article by Wilkerson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. January 18, 2023 3:58 am Videos; Home. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. Please give us all another chance and send us out in your name again! I will continue to respect you for that. Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 How can anyone with a sound mind say that In Jesus and the apostles day their miracles were accompanied by this nascent WIERDSVILLE? These are genuine brothers in Christ, myself I have no doubt of that, I love them just from the videos, and I believe they have genuine spiritual gifts. I turn on the water in our shower and, lo and behold, all the dirt, dust etc. And it is the church of the future. Each one is even given different measures of faith, another thing that is often forgotten about. Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. We are never too young or too old to learn more about Jesus and the Father. What is wrong with people? Matthew 7: There is no more marvelous manifestation in the life of Jesus than that manifestation of healing through the apostle Paul. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. When we do so, we first learn that the word "apostle" comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means "one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate" (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. Because you will be lying to yourself and worst of all God Himself. Mental facilities will be empty because everyone will be given a sound mind, just like the man with the legion of demons in him. [8] Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faith which is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. Its a little annoying in other articles when everyone is living in the future worrying about the thousand year reign and who does what during the tribulation. Sndergaard is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. I suggest that this same method (seek God, fast, pray for Truth) used by these preachers be used TODAY to come to the TRUTH FROM GOD HIMSELF AND TO HELP OUR UNBELIEF. Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. I promised her I did not get your email but will ask about it on the forum as I will also love it, as she said she is finding it difficult to post , not sure of the cause. Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. Torben Sondergaard is married to his beautiful wife, Lene Sondergaard. .Jesus warned His disciples against having this sectarian spirit. Friends this is the descent into WIERDSVILLE!!! I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` People who claim to be believe in Jesus who dont even recognize Him when He is in one if His servants doing exactly what He always does- loving ordinary people, healing the sick, casting out demons and preaching good news??? Torben says himself at 6:44into the Speaking in Tongues video above that speaking in tongues is an amazing gift that EVERYONE should have because if you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit well according to Torben you are not saved, and that speaking in tongues is an amazing tool God has given us to come into a strong prayer life and relationship with him. Jhn 17:16 NASB They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Andrew S. quite rightly said in `Sad reaction to Walmart healings,` that `At some point we have to be about establishing what is right. Jonathan, I may be wrong but I suspect you are coming partly from the hebrew roots type of people who, for the most part, want us to go back to the Law, keeping feast days etc. Barry I am that lady!! At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. 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